Comments on Agent in the Middle: Some Answers for Beginners

Awesome advice. I found three posts on reputable a...

2008-05-31T17:08:00.000-05:00

Awesome advice. I found three posts on reputable agent's blogs dedicated to this same topic. All of them said you should shoot for a word count in the 80k-100k range. Thanks for the pro tip.

Uh oh, mine starts with a dream sequence, and my m...

2008-05-27T12:58:00.000-05:00

Uh oh, mine starts with a dream sequence, and my main character doesn't get in trouble until page 100!

Back to the drawing board, or at least the shuffle board - :)

I sometimes crit stories on the Absolute Write for...

2008-05-24T10:09:00.000-05:00

I sometimes crit stories on the Absolute Write forums, and unless the story's good (or conversely, very bad) at the start, I don't find it easy to keep reading. I'll do it to help the writer, but it's difficult to keep going for enjoyment, so I can understand an agent giving up on a story if the first page doesn't work.

I once had a manuscript where the main character went off into a flashback in the second paragraph. Two partial requests and rejections later, I came to my senses and rewrote that.

Thanks for the confirmation of my thesis about the...

2008-05-21T14:50:00.000-05:00

Thanks for the confirmation of my thesis about the importance of the first page, Lori. I have a continuing series on my Flogging the Quill blog wherein I (and readers) critique the first pages of novels submitted by writers.

The challenge of my "Flogometer:" is the page compelling enough to make me turn the page?

Few are, but writers learn from examining both those that don't work and those that do.

Ray Rhamey
www.floggingthequill.com

I hate to be contrary, but how does one explain Pa...

2008-05-21T13:07:00.000-05:00

I hate to be contrary, but how does one explain Patrick Rothfuss' debut novel, "Name of the Wind"? I don't know how many words it is, but it is a hefty 662 pages, in small font. Not only did he win the Quill award for it, but it recently hit the NYT Bestseller's list. Granted, I know that this is what we call an 'exception', but it does show that 'unsellable' is too strong a term.

Then again, I suppose I'm an exception too. The last 5 novels I read were at least 180k words.

I suppose it helps to start in right with the acti...

2008-05-21T10:46:00.000-05:00

I suppose it helps to start in right with the action, but it probably has to do more with creating intrigue on the first page, not necessarily having your main character dangling off the edge of a cliff, but making the reader feel like there's something at stake - something to keep reading for.

I've rejected short stories after the first line, ...

2008-05-21T05:39:00.000-05:00

I've rejected short stories after the first line, never mind the first page....

tod - I don't have an my eye on a movie deal, but ...

2008-05-20T11:55:00.000-05:00

tod - I don't have an my eye on a movie deal, but the reader is always comparing theer entertainment dollar to other media and no longer has the time or the pateince for a long, drawn- out lead in. I find this to be the case in both ficiton and film.

Great post, I'll bet Reader's Digest is sorry they...

2008-05-20T08:34:00.000-05:00

Great post, I'll bet Reader's Digest is sorry they didn't give you a little more time.

Good information. Thanks for posting it. =)

2008-05-20T00:52:00.000-05:00

Good information. Thanks for posting it. =)

That was amazing. Thanks so much for that! Why did...

2008-05-19T17:54:00.000-05:00

That was amazing. Thanks so much for that! Why didn't they give you more time? I don't see how they could have expected you to reply in under a week. Thanks for giving up the goods.

[Of course, with the faster paced movies we are wa...

2008-05-19T17:15:00.000-05:00

[Of course, with the faster paced movies we are watching, books really have to start off with a rush. Dean Koontz wrote in the classic, but out-of-print Writer's Digest book, How to Write Best-Selling fiction, that your novel should open with your main character in terrible trouble and then be in even more grave danger within 5 pages. This always works.

So your novel has to grab me by the first page, which is why we can reject you on one page.]

It seems to me from reading these agent blogs that you always have one eye on a movie deal. Is this why so much action is demanded in the first paragraph?

No offense, but if that's true then I think it is sad.

Great! My WIP does start with my MC in trouble an...

2008-05-19T13:23:00.000-05:00

Great! My WIP does start with my MC in trouble and then getting into an even more dangerous (but slightly subtler) situation. Word length is another good thing to keep in mind, and from what I've read, sci-fi/fantasy can generally get away with larger word counts (still within that 80k-120k range, mind you.)

The first page usually says it all.

2008-05-19T12:22:00.000-05:00

The first page usually says it all.

So many aspiring writers have asked me for advice ...

2008-05-19T12:14:00.000-05:00

So many aspiring writers have asked me for advice on their manuscripts, and I always tell them that if it doesn't grab me on the first page, I won't read past it because nobody else in the industry will, either. And those writers never believe me when I tell them that you can get rejected on one page. If only they would listen. . .

I found the info on page count especially helpful....

2008-05-19T12:02:00.000-05:00

I found the info on page count especially helpful. I though a mainstream at 100,00 was acceptable and that is what I have shopped until now. Glad the one I am working on is right at that 80,00 mark.